Is Camberley green or brown?

Today we’re showing two pictures.  The first is from the borough council’s ‘Camberley Town Centre Statement 2014 – 2030’. The second is from the ‘Camberley Eye Camera 2019’.  We’re not experts, but the tree in the foreground of the latter looks decidedly brown and unhappy to us.  And the council has replaced a lot of the other green in the Statement picture with a lot of brown.  The Statement seems pretty obsolete now – what will Knoll Walk be like in 2030?

Answering that question, the council has said: “the role of Knoll Walk could be transformed by communal benches, spaces for market stalls/pop-up food outlets and attractive planting and lighting”.  Flying pigs would transform it too.

 

10 thoughts on “Is Camberley green or brown?

  1. There’s me thinking it was a comment on recycling.
    However maybe someone here knows the answer to the query about how SHBC manages plastic recycling from recycling centres?

    Question arises because when I go to the dump there are no containers for plastics with only electrical,metals, garden,timber and cardboard being seperated into containers.

    Does SHBC recycle plastic from the dumps?
    If so;
    What percentage of this plastic is non recyclable and what happens to it? (Chinas recent ban on accepting the worlds waste has probably caused problems.)

    Recent environment related requests to SHBC have been unanswered so maybe more luck here.

    • Well, I can give you ‘an’ answer, but it’s not very helpful. SHBC doesn’t recycle ANYTHING from the ‘dumps’ – they’re run by SCC, and SHBC has nothing to do with them. It’s hard to find out what/how SCC recycles, but there’s some info here: https://www.surreycc.gov.uk/waste-and-recycling/information-about-our-waste-and-recycling-services/community-recycling-centres-recycling-statistics (Actually, I don’t put a very high priority on recycling plastics. Burning them efficiently may sometimes be a better environmental solution.)

      • Thanks. Again split responsibilities between borough and council on waste, not really conducisive to efficiency at many levels let alone planning for the future.

        Below is a quote which highlights the issue with plastic recycling, the UK has a poor record of sending contaminated plastic waste to the few countries that still accept our waste, meaning this problem will become our problem and as you suggested the website info is pretty useless for solutions info.
        Hopefully some of the highly paid council execs who have responsibility for the environment will be on the ball, because UK will soon have to deal with its own waste.

        Quote from Guardian;-

        “”Phil Conran, director 360 Environmental and chair of the government’s advisory committee on packaging, said: “All these markets are effectively closing the door to the poor quality material and they are increasingly limited in what they will accept of the better quality material.

        “At the moment material is still being collected and still going somewhere … but all the sense is that we have reached a tipping point and we simply are struggling to find markets for material that is being collected.”

      • I used to work on the periphery of the ‘plastics’ industry. One of the problems is that the more plastics are tailor-made to particular applications (in particular, food packaging can be a complex combination of materials) the more difficult it is to recycle/reuse them. Incineration or some very low-grade reuse may be the only realistic option.

  2. Surely to solve this problem at a stroke we must stop making these plastics and use something else instead, eg. paper, or a material made form a plant-based source (sea-weed or bamboo, etc.) so it can be burned with no contamination problems. Putting on a tax for using plastic just is not the answer.

    • Angela agree entirely. Unfortunately”tax it” is the defacto response for our lazy politicians who either have no idea or no solution for numerous environmental issues.. If an excellent independent butcher in N Camp can adopt paper based packaging, why can’t JS Tesco Aldi etc because across the channel at L’Elerc and Intermarche already do.

      Hopefully schools are doing what politicians are not and can stimulate a step change in attitudes and inspire the younger generations.

      • Emil, in America they have had paper bags/sacks for decades in the supermarkets for transporting shopping home. It isn’t as if it is an untried ‘experiment’.

      • I spent a chunk of my working life carrying out environmental comparisons. Which taught me that the analysis is difficult, and the outcome depends on assumptions and where boundaries are drawn. In most cases, the answer is ‘it all depends’. I’m not saying that this link is to a scientifically-robust article, but have a look at https://science.howstuffworks.com/environmental/green-science/paper-plastic.htm before coming to what otherwise might seem obvious conclusions.

    • Well, yes and no, Angela. Stating the obvious, plastics came into use because they perform better/more cost-effectively than the alternatives. But the world has changed, and we now put a higher ‘price’ on environmental pollution, so maybe other materials will become preferred. That could mean back to wooden window frames and perishable rubber electric cable insulation. Lead gas pipes, bamboo water pipes. Clothing of uncured animal skins (the cotton and wool industries are highly polluting) Of course, I’m not being entirely serious here, but perhaps these suggestions are thought-provoking. One thing re bamboo drinking mugs that have appeared on the market. They’re impregnated with a resin to make them water-proof. Burning them probably is no better than burning a polyethylene plastic bag. The real problem is that whatever we do disturbs the planet – we can’t help it. There are too many of us and we want to consume.

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